[i think you may know "Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal" Pls refer to point 10 in the following]
It is not considered backbiting when talking about the people of desires and innovation, and those who oppose the Salaf:
Al-A’amash reported that Ibraaheem (An-Nakha’ee) said: "There is no backbiting with regard to (talking about) the innovator." [1]
Al-Hasan Al-Basree said: "There is no backbiting with regard to (talking about) the innovator or the sinner who openly professes his evil." [2]
And he also said: "There is no backbiting when it concerns the people of innovations." [3]
Al-Fudayl Ibn ‘Iyyaad said: "Whoever enters upon a person of innovation, then he has no sanctity (i.e. protection from being talked about)."[4]
Sufyaan Ibn ‘Uyainah said: "Shu’abah used to say: 'Come let us backbite for the sake of Allaah, ‘azza wa jall.'" [5]
Abu Zayd Al-Ansaaree An-Nahwee said: "Shu’abah came to us on a rainy day and said: 'This is not a day for (learning) hadeeth. Today is a day for backbiting. Come let us backbite the liars (in hadeeth).'" [6]
On the authority of Makkee Ibn Ibraaheem who said: "Shu’abah used to go to ‘Imraan Ibn Hudayr saying (to him): ‘O ‘Imraan, come let us backbite for an hour for the sake of Allaah.’ And they would mention the faults and defects of hadeeth reporters." [7]
Abu Zur’ah Ad-Dimashqee said: "I heard Abu Mushar being asked about a man that makes mistakes, misconstrues and distorts ahaadeeth, so he said: ‘Make his affair known.’ So I said to Abu Zur’ah: ‘Do you consider that to be backbiting?’ He said: ‘No.’" [8]
Ibn Al-Mubaarak said: "Al-Mi’allaa Ibn Hilaal is fine except when it comes to hadeeth, he lies." So someone among the sufis (i.e. ascetics) said: "O Abu ‘Abdir-Rahmaan! Are you backbiting?" So he said: "Be quiet! If we do not clarify this, how will the truth be made known from the falsehood?" [9]
‘Abdullaah, the son of Imaam Ahmad said: "Abu Turaab An-Nakhshabee once went to my father, so my father began saying ‘this person is weak’ and ‘that person is reliable.’ So Abu Turaab said: ‘O Shaikh, do not backbite the scholars!’ So my father turned to him and said: ‘Woe be to you! This is advice, this is not backbiting." [10]
Muhammad Ibn Bindaar As-Sabbaak Al-Jarjaanee said: "I once said to Ahmad Ibn Hanbal: ‘Verily, it is becoming hard upon me to say: (So and so is weak) and (so and so is a liar). So Ahmad said: ‘If you remain silent and I remain silent, then who will make the ignorant person aware of the authentic from the defective?’" [11]
Shaudhab reported that Katheer Abu Sahl said: "It used to be said: ‘The people of desires do not have any sanctity (i.e. protection from being talked about)." [12]
Al-Hasan Ibn ‘Alee Al-Iskaafee said: "I asked Abu ‘Abdillaah Ahmad Ibn Hanbal about the meaning of backbiting. He responded: "It is when you mention the defect of a person." I said: "What if the person says: ‘Do not hear (hadeeth) from so and so’ and ‘Such and such person makes mistakes (in his narration)?’" He said: "If the people were to abandon doing this, the authentic would not be known from its opposite." [13]
Isma’eel Al-Khatabee said: ‘Abdullaah Ibn Ahmad reported to us, saying: "I said to my father: ‘What do you say about seekers of Hadeeth going to a teacher who perhaps is murji’ee or a shi’ee or he has some opposition to the Sunnah in him. Is it permitted for me to remain silent about him or should I warn against him?’ So my father said: ‘If he calls the people to innovation and he is an Imaam (or a head figure) in that and calls to that, then yes, warn against him.’" [14]
[5] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349)
[6] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91)
[7] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91)
[8] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349) and Al-Kifaayah of Al-Baghdaadee (91-92) but there occurs in Al-Khateeb’s report: "So I said to Abu Mushar" instead of "So I said to Abu Zur’ah."
[9] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349) and Al-Kifaayah of Al-Baghdaadee (91-92)
[10] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (92) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/350)
[11] Majmoo’-ul-Fataawaa of Ibn Taimiyyah (28/231)
[12] Al-Laalilkaa’ee (1/140, no: 281)
[13] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee (1/350-351)
[14] Al-Kifaayah (93) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee (1/350)
this is the question...every muslim nowadays should ask... To answer this question...i direct you to the people of knowledge. i hope it will clarify..insha Allah.
Following links, insha Allah, will provide u with information. Take ur time and read them. Tanx for ur question.
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[i think you may know "Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal" Pls refer to point 10 in the following]
It is not considered backbiting when talking about the people of desires and innovation, and those who oppose the Salaf:
Al-A’amash reported that Ibraaheem (An-Nakha’ee) said: "There is no backbiting with regard to (talking about) the innovator." [1]
Al-Hasan Al-Basree said: "There is no backbiting with regard to (talking about) the innovator or the sinner who openly professes his evil." [2]
And he also said: "There is no backbiting when it concerns the people of innovations." [3]
Al-Fudayl Ibn ‘Iyyaad said: "Whoever enters upon a person of innovation, then he has no sanctity (i.e. protection from being talked about)."[4]
Sufyaan Ibn ‘Uyainah said: "Shu’abah used to say: 'Come let us backbite for the sake of Allaah, ‘azza wa jall.'" [5]
Abu Zayd Al-Ansaaree An-Nahwee said: "Shu’abah came to us on a rainy day and said: 'This is not a day for (learning) hadeeth. Today is a day for backbiting. Come let us backbite the liars (in hadeeth).'" [6]
On the authority of Makkee Ibn Ibraaheem who said: "Shu’abah used to go to ‘Imraan Ibn Hudayr saying (to him): ‘O ‘Imraan, come let us backbite for an hour for the sake of Allaah.’ And they would mention the faults and defects of hadeeth reporters." [7]
Abu Zur’ah Ad-Dimashqee said: "I heard Abu Mushar being asked about a man that makes mistakes, misconstrues and distorts ahaadeeth, so he said: ‘Make his affair known.’ So I said to Abu Zur’ah: ‘Do you consider that to be backbiting?’ He said: ‘No.’" [8]
Ibn Al-Mubaarak said: "Al-Mi’allaa Ibn Hilaal is fine except when it comes to hadeeth, he lies." So someone among the sufis (i.e. ascetics) said: "O Abu ‘Abdir-Rahmaan! Are you backbiting?" So he said: "Be quiet! If we do not clarify this, how will the truth be made known from the falsehood?" [9]
‘Abdullaah, the son of Imaam Ahmad said: "Abu Turaab An-Nakhshabee once went to my father, so my father began saying ‘this person is weak’ and ‘that person is reliable.’ So Abu Turaab said: ‘O Shaikh, do not backbite the scholars!’ So my father turned to him and said: ‘Woe be to you! This is advice, this is not backbiting." [10]
Muhammad Ibn Bindaar As-Sabbaak Al-Jarjaanee said: "I once said to Ahmad Ibn Hanbal: ‘Verily, it is becoming hard upon me to say: (So and so is weak) and (so and so is a liar). So Ahmad said: ‘If you remain silent and I remain silent, then who will make the ignorant person aware of the authentic from the defective?’" [11]
Shaudhab reported that Katheer Abu Sahl said: "It used to be said: ‘The people of desires do not have any sanctity (i.e. protection from being talked about)." [12]
Al-Hasan Ibn ‘Alee Al-Iskaafee said: "I asked Abu ‘Abdillaah Ahmad Ibn Hanbal about the meaning of backbiting. He responded: "It is when you mention the defect of a person." I said: "What if the person says: ‘Do not hear (hadeeth) from so and so’ and ‘Such and such person makes mistakes (in his narration)?’" He said: "If the people were to abandon doing this, the authentic would not be known from its opposite." [13]
Isma’eel Al-Khatabee said: ‘Abdullaah Ibn Ahmad reported to us, saying: "I said to my father: ‘What do you say about seekers of Hadeeth going to a teacher who perhaps is murji’ee or a shi’ee or he has some opposition to the Sunnah in him. Is it permitted for me to remain silent about him or should I warn against him?’ So my father said: ‘If he calls the people to innovation and he is an Imaam (or a head figure) in that and calls to that, then yes, warn against him.’" [14]
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Footnotes:
[1] Al-Laalikaa’ee (1/140, no: 276)
[2] Al-Laalikaa’ee (1/140, no: 279)
[3] Al-Laalikaa’ee (1/140, no: 280)
[4] Al-Laalikaa’ee (1/140, no: 282)
[5] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349)
[6] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91)
[7] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (91)
[8] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349) and Al-Kifaayah of Al-Baghdaadee (91-92) but there occurs in Al-Khateeb’s report: "So I said to Abu Mushar" instead of "So I said to Abu Zur’ah."
[9] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/349) and Al-Kifaayah of Al-Baghdaadee (91-92)
[10] Al-Kifaayah fee ‘Ilm-ir-Riwaayah of al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadee (92) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee of Ibn Rajab (1/350)
[11] Majmoo’-ul-Fataawaa of Ibn Taimiyyah (28/231)
[12] Al-Laalilkaa’ee (1/140, no: 281)
[13] Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee (1/350-351)
[14] Al-Kifaayah (93) and Sharh ‘Ilal At-Tirmidhee (1/350)
Assalaamu ALaikum...brother (brother, for the sake of Allah)
May Allah guide u and me...
I try my best not to engage in arguments with those who oppose the Salaf (Rahimahullah).
If u still hold on to brother Zakir's Aqeedah (and of those ...other than the Aqeedah Salafiyyah), then, I have nothing to say other than...
" There is none to misguide a person whom Allah guided...
There is none to guide a person whom Allah misguided (due to a disease in his heart)....
May Allah Guide us..... "
Wassalaamu Alaikum...
Note: pls try not to post any (unwanted) comments here.
Pls...also note that the ulamaa do not criticize and refute a person just bcos they don't like him or for any other material purposes.
Pls remember... everyone of us has to answer Allah on the Day of Judgement (including the Scholars).
Assalam'alaikum
you say people are moving away from "islam, sunnah and salafiyyah"
The first two is something to be worried about but why the third??
Wa alaikum Salaam..brother Abu.
Alhamdu Lillaah....very good question.
this is the question...every muslim nowadays should ask...
To answer this question...i direct you to the people of knowledge.
i hope it will clarify..insha Allah.
Following links, insha Allah, will provide u with information. Take ur time and read them.
Tanx for ur question.
http://www.troid.org/manhaj/the-saved-sect-and-it-s-characteristics/index.php
http://www.troid.org/media/pdf/salafeemethodology.pdf
http://www.bakkah.net/interactive/q&a/aamb040.htm
http://www.bakkah.net/interactive/q&a/aauj003.htm
http://www.spubs.com/ [under this, pls click regular visitor and then click salafiyyah for more articles]
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